Real Talk with Tina and Ann
Tina and Ann met as journalists covering a capital murder trial, 15 years ago. Tina has been a tv and radio personality and has three children. Ann has a master's in counseling and has worked in the jail system, was a director of a battered woman's shelter/rape crisis center, worked as an assistant director at a school for children with autism, worked with abused kids and is currently raising her three children who have autism. She also is autistic and was told would not graduate high school, but as you can see, she has accomplished so much more. The duo share their stories of overcoming and interview people who are making it, despite what has happened. This is more than just two moms sharing their lives. This is two women who have overcome some of life's hardest obstacles. Join us every Wednesday as we go through life's journey together. There is purpose in the pain and hope in the journey.
Real Talk with Tina and Ann
Finding Faith After Unimaginable Loss: Autumn Starr Canterbury's story part 2
The resilient spirit refuses to be broken. Autumn Star Canterbury embodies this truth in ways that will leave you breathless.
When you've been traded for a horse, abandoned at a homeless shelter, and told repeatedly that your life amounts to nothing, you face a choice - surrender to despair or find something greater to believe in. Autumn chose the latter, and her journey illuminates the extraordinary power of what she calls "the silent gift."
With captivating rawness, Autumn reveals how horses became her first teachers in resilience. Growing up isolated on vast ranches without friends or supportive family, she studied these magnificent animals, learning from their ability to adapt and survive. "My spirit is not just unbreakable," she explains, "it is powerful like a horse - built to endure, to carry burdens without faltering."
This conversation delves deeply into how faith anchored Autumn when everything else was stripped away. The white Bible given to her after her mother's tragic death became her constant companion, offering guidance when human support failed her. Through her darkest moments, she developed a philosophy that continues to propel her forward: "To a committed mind, there is no failure, so be mindful what you are committed to."
Today, at 40, Autumn is finishing her high school education, preparing to join the National Guard as a chaplain assistant, and raising three remarkable children who are finding their own paths to success. Her daughter Faith - born prematurely at just over one pound - has enlisted in the Marines, embodying the resilience that runs through their family's veins.
Autumn's testimony reminds us that healing isn't about erasing our scars but finding the strength to carry them while still rising. Her courage challenges us to examine how we respond to our own hardships and whether we're allowing past wounds to define our future.
Listen, be moved, and perhaps discover your own silent gift waiting to transform pain into purpose.
Welcome to Real Talk with Tina and Anne. This is part two of Autumn Star Canterbury. Some stories change you just by hearing them. This is one of those stories. It changed me.
Speaker 1:Autumn talks in Part 1 about her heart, and she shares the unimaginable Traded with a horse given away not once but two times by her family, ending up at a homeless shelter, many different houses, all while carrying the deep wounds of a childhood lost too soon, a time when innocence is lost. She watched her mother die in a tragic horse accident, a moment that shattered her innocence and became the dividing line between before and after. From that day on, life was never the same. But Autumn's story is not just about heartbreak. It's about choosing bravery when the world gave her every reason to quit. It's about building a life from the ashes of betrayal and pain. It's about defying the odds, one breath, one step, one battle at a time. She wasn't even allowed to go to school.
Speaker 1:In this episode, autumn speaks about what truly saved her, the silent strength that carried her when no one else could. She talks about abuse that leaves no bruises, the wounds no one sees but that leave scars all the same. She made bold, life-changing decisions joining the National Guard, finishing her high school against all odds, training her mind and body to rebuild a life no one thought was possible, because many people told her that they didn't believe in her, but she believed in herself. Autumn's story reminds us healing is not the absence of scars. Healing is the power to carry them and still rise. Her story is one of unrelenting courage. It's raw, it's real and deeply sacred. And you made it Autumn. If you or someone you know is facing trauma or loss, please reach out, contact a local shelter, tell the authorities you need help and, when the time comes, have a go bag ready with your most important papers, because your life is worth protecting. Put yourself first, take care of you and know this.
Speaker 1:Here at Real Talk, we are walking this journey with you every single step. Here is part two of Autumn Star Canterbury's unforgettable story. In part two of our powerful conversation with her, we explore how a life marked by hardship was transformed into a story of fierce determination and survival. Autumn shares what saved her in her darkest moments, how she found the strength to rebuild and why she refused to let abuse define her future. Instead of staying stuck in the pain, she rose above it, earning her degree and stepping into a life filled with purpose, hope and joy. This episode is a raw, inspiring reminder that, no matter how deep the wounds, healing and new beginnings are always possible. Here is part two.
Speaker 2:I was told no offense, but because of your past you're never going to be where we're at in life, and so I was told a lot of criticism just because of my upbringing. I was judged heavily because of that.
Speaker 1:It was almost like people were just expecting you to fail.
Speaker 2:Right and I got used and comfortable to failing, because I didn't know what I was capable of doing. I only knew what I was capable of being accepted to do and I would never cross that boundary of trying to become even more, because I was afraid of judgment.
Speaker 1:You had a lot of invisible things going on inside of you, but one of the biggest things, I think, was that gift that you talked about. I mean, what saved you?
Speaker 2:A lot of things saved me, but the key note is faith. I had so much faith that I'm going to overcome this. My heavenly father, my God in heaven, is my reason. Back as a child, we lived on acres and acres with just horses, and I didn't have people to go to, I didn't have friends, I didn't have family. So I learned how to find my peace and my comfort in studying the horses and how do they live and how they just you know they adapt. Horses will adapt and acclimate to different environments. Horses will adapt and acclimate to different environments, owners, the land and everything.
Speaker 2:And that I put in my book. You know, I explain how my survival was leaning on a horse, and then I learned how to lean on my faith when those horses were no longer there. That's the silent gift. And then there's the good people too. There's those little silent people that just did that one thing or a couple of things in your life that fed you that inspiration to believe in yourself, and so that, even though they were minute in my life, they were still there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a friend of mine who does 30-second moments and you know she talks about how it just takes 30 seconds to make somebody feel important and yeah, I mean it really is those small things that make up actually for a lot of hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we can come back, we can bounce back is what I'm trying to say. Very easily, it doesn't take much that structure that kept you so, you know, unflexible, shall I say, and I've had to really learn how to. Just anywhere I'm, at anybody I talk to, I try to pull the good out, I try to implement that into my life and then I try to overcome and overcome some days, try to overcome and overcome some days. Just waking up and overcoming the day is a huge success for me. Reading a book, accomplishing something, it can be huge.
Speaker 1:You don't take anything for granted.
Speaker 2:You have to learn how to not do that, Because if you put your life on a calendar and you exited out all the days of how old you are and you see how much you have left, you wouldn't want to waste them. You know, and you're going to, it's inevitable you're going to have a day that's going to be a pitfall and it's going to be, you know, a red X on that day. But you can give back, you know, in that moment or the day after, even if it's something like okay, I got up this morning and I didn't exercise and I had to do all these errands today and I really, really wanted to run that two-mile run. You still have the end of the day to try to get it done. Or if you can't get it done, you can still say hey, I made my bed, I was grateful, I gave gratitude. Today. That's a two-mile run that I physically did something, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, right, it's all relative. So you're talking about I want to get back to the faith, but I do want to hit on that for a second, because you did work on your physical body as well. I mean, you started exercising and working out to become healthier physically.
Speaker 2:I'm in the process. I run two miles every day, I weight lift, I swim, I do morning devotion every evening. I give gratitude. I have my little book that I look back and I write I journal. I try really hard to make myself the best I can.
Speaker 1:You're a hero to me. You really are. You have had everything against you. You have had every reason to quit and give up, whatever that means for anybody. You know it could mean anything, but you didn't quit on any area of your life and even when they took your kids, you decided you were going to work really hard and get them back. I mean, there was nothing that kept you down, and that's what I really love, one of the things that I really you know.
Speaker 1:The horse keeps coming up in your story and I find that really interesting because one of the things that you said to me you sent you know the horse. You use the horse, the spirit of the horse, to describe you and the metaphor of the horse, with endurance and strength and unbreakable will, you say. My spirit is not just unbreakable, it is a spirit powerful like a horse. A horse is built to endure, to carry burdens without faltering. A horse does not surrender to the storm. He faces the wind head held high. My strength is like that of a force that does not waver, a will that does not break. I have run through the fire, galloped through the pain and still remain. My story is not of defeat but of survival of the power of a spirit untamed and unshaken. And this is my silent gift, I mean, that is so beautifully written.
Speaker 2:Well, it's what we, it's what our environment is, kind of what we develop around.
Speaker 1:You know, I say can I say something really quick here? You didn't have teachers of people, you had parents and teachers of horses. They taught you. Would you say that?
Speaker 2:I'm so glad you said it because that's where I was headed. If you watch movies like Seabiscuit Secretariat, if you study horsemen like Monty Roberts, um, you know that was the environment that I was acclimated to. My my father was a horseman. My mother was a horsewoman. She died from a horse. Horses were always seemed to be that silent gift in my life and I would study and observe people that were really good leaders with horses. You know, if you, if you know anything about horse trainers, horsemanship, they're good leaders and that's why the horse understands that person. That's why they follow that person. They feel safe. If a horse feels fear, they're going to take off, they're not going to trust you. And I seeked out leadership through what I was familiar with, and I was familiar with horses. I was familiar with cowboys. I didn't necessarily have healthy cowboys in my life, but I seeked them and I looked up to people and studied people that were good in that aspect. And the horses were my mom's life. I mean like, so that's what I know.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm glad that you because associations can be made with abuse and horses are throughout your story you were traded with a horse. You know there was so much abuse on these horse farms, on these ranches, and I'm so glad that they were actually your safety through all of it and they didn't become an association with the bat.
Speaker 2:Yes, me too, me too.
Speaker 1:Are you still really involved with horses today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have horses. Okay, I have a mare that's going to have a baby, so I'm really excited about that. Of course, right now I don't have any time to ride or play around like that, but those are my future goals. You know, right now I am focused on my education and getting structure and a foundation for me and my children.
Speaker 1:So what are you going to school for?
Speaker 2:So I'm finishing my high school diploma. I am totally stoked about finishing it and it's happening now. I'm working with a recruiter for the National Guard and doing my ASVAB testing on that. I have all my books right here beside me, school totally all day and work out, and I'm getting ready for signing up for basic training this summer and joining the Army National Guard.
Speaker 1:Well, you just don't stop. I mean, that is so great. There were different tools. You know, when we go through life and there's a lot of abuse, there's a lot of trauma, grief, we develop a tool belt. What were some of the tools that you put in your tool belt to help you?
Speaker 2:Um, that is a tough question. How do I put it in words?
Speaker 1:Besides faith, because I would say faith would have been a big one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one that I write down, I put in my book right here Um to a committed mind, there is no failure, so be mindful what you are committed to. That is something that I like to always stay committed to the right things in my mind, because if I'm committed to being depressed, that's what's going to happen If I'm committed to saying you know what it hurts, I'm 40 years old and I do not want to run two miles, but I'm committed to doing this. I finished and I'm like, wow, I may not have been the fastest, but I did it. You know, still, be mindful of what you're committed to, because I think that's kind of what I did at a very young age.
Speaker 1:That's what kept getting you back up.
Speaker 2:I think so I'm still on that journey of figuring myself out.
Speaker 1:And that's a lifelong thing. I think that we are always doing that, but you should really be commended for that, because that's a tough thing to hold on to when there's so many things going on and you just still hold on to that faith and you don't let it beat you down.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you're right in that. You're right in that whatever you allow your brain to attach to, I mean, a thought can go in a really bad direction and your action will follow that thought. So I mean it's just really amazing that you trained your brain to go in the direction that you wanted it to do to be in order for you to become who you are today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Despite, despite, everybody and everything that they threw at you.
Speaker 2:And it you know it's no new news. You look at entrepreneurs, you look at people who are very successful in life and their stories always have a hardship that made them overcome to get where they're at, and that's something that I've always looked up to. You know, I stayed focused on successful people people. I um on the tractor for hours. I would listen to, you know motivational videos and um podcasts of people that overcame and it, it fueled me to step up and step out of my comfort zone and say, okay, I'm scared to do this, but I I've got to take that step because it will open a door for another opportunity and it's always seemed to work. So I don't think we should really change those things that work, you know, to help us get better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's been times where I've literally been on the floor in a ball crying and felt like I can't get up, but nothing was going to keep me down Nothing, and I really believe it was. And were you taught about God when you were younger? I mean, you did mention how you prayed at the table and stuff like that, but did you you felt him when you were younger? You knew that there was this thing within you, that was this power greater than you that was keeping you and through all of these things, but did you really understand who he was?
Speaker 2:I did, I did, we prayed, not that my family lived by faith or whatever God, I read the Bible. I read the whole Bible. How did you get the?
Speaker 1:Bible. It was in your house had passed away.
Speaker 2:I was 12 years old and this was around the time before I had, you know, really lost all of my family. We had actually came to Colorado right after my mom had died, for the family and everybody to talk and everything. And I had prayed at my grandfather's house for Jesus to save me, and then I went to him and told him that I wanted to be baptized and my cousin was a pastor and he baptized me right after my mother's death and they gave me as a gift a Bible, a white Bible. I still have to this day, because that was the only thing that my father gave me when he dropped me off in the homeless shelter was my Bible, and I read it and I read it and I read it and I read it. And when you're alone, that's who I went to, that's who I talked to, was my father in heaven.
Speaker 1:What a piece of this story that's amazing, and what a gift.
Speaker 2:I don't mean to keep filling you in with these little holes, but there's a lot to it.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, that's so beautiful. I mean I remember and I did not know really who God was and I didn't live in a godly home or anything when I was younger. But we had Bibles, like we had the big family Bible, you know, where they put people's names in it, and then I had been to some event at a church and I got a Bible. And I was really young I still have that particular Bible with my name in it from a small child and I can remember and I had learning disabilities so I couldn't even really read very well, no-transcript, and I really don't even know how I knew that, except for I'm sure that God placed that within me.
Speaker 2:He does, I believe he does. You know that's how I walk in my life. You know that's what I'm working on with the National Guard, is I signed up to try to be a chaplain assistant. So you know, it's amazing how, through all of it, if he can go through dying on the cross for our sins and what he had to sacrifice, then you know we can. We can go through this too, cause it's not if it wasn't easy for him. We know it as a child of God. It's not going to be easy for us.
Speaker 1:Well, I was a chaplain, Well, one of the preachers I at the jail for the women and I'll tell you and I've talked about it on the podcast before, but those were some of the women that because they were broken, because they had been real, because they, a lot of them, had been through so much that they were so willing to come before him and and just be who they needed to be in order to be saved or in order to grow, and that really says something, a lot about the realness and the relationship that we have to have in order to grow.
Speaker 1:And when you come here today and you lay all this out there which there's a lot and you have to be transparent and you have to be willing to be real I mean, there's nothing fake here and it's such a lesson to people in order for us to be who we really are. And that's why we actually call this podcast Real Talk with Tina and Ann, because it's about being real and that's who we need to be in order to grow. And I think that that is a lot of the reason that you have grown in your faith and in your life and stayed committed and true to who you are and the path that you're supposed to be, because you've been real within yourself and I think, so many times. People aren't even real with themselves. They're lying not just about who they are to the people around them, but they're also lying to themselves and not allowing them to truly become who they are and who they need to be.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I learned how to be real by being fake for so long. I went down that direction of. You know I'm going to look the part, act the part, be the part. But I was, you know, arguing in my marriage and everything. You know I was living everything. I really wasn't. And so, you know, people are going to listen to those that actually have walked through those footsteps, you know, and figured out how to step out of them. And my stepping out was okay. I'm going to have to be without a house again. I'm going to have to lose the really nice car and drive the old, you know, pickup truck, but hey, I'm debt free. I'm going to have to walk away from everything that people were familiar with because I have to be me. I have to be me. It's kind of like you only go so far, and you hit a wall.
Speaker 2:Well, what's past that wall? You know that that wall, past it is your faith, it's you being real, it's you being organic with who you are, inside and out, and that's what takes you up up that mountain, that's what gets you out and that you allowed God to speak louder than all the rest I did, and that and even yourself, you know.
Speaker 1:I think so many times we allow even other people's voices to become our voices and that can be so heavy and critical on our own selves where we don't become who we should be, and I think allowing a force and God to be louder than all of those other voices is really critical.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because if you listen to everybody, it just creates a chaos scene inside of your mind because you lose sight of what you are and who you are. Because you have so many people coming in from every direction saying, well, you should do this, this, that and the other is what you need. And I had that happen. I had so many people demeanor me but then order me what direction and how to do it and when to do it and why to do it, to where it was no longer silent inside of me. And that's another reason why I call it the silent gift is learning how to be silent within yourself. Find the gift within yourself, have faith forward through it and prevail and step out of your comfort zone because it's going to be all right. You can overcome it. You will heal as soon as you figure that out.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, a hundred percent. And if he is at the forefront of it. You know those other people, their motivations are not good. They're purposely trying to harm and you know the enemy is everywhere and they work through them. He works through them in order to reach us and to try to keep us down, because and I'll tell you, and I see this in you because we have a great message, Because we have so many people that we can help, and that's why they you know, I always will continue to allow God to speak louder than what any other message could come my way. There are so many messages in this world right now to make us feel as if we are defeated Right, and this is a horrible time in our world right now, and so I think it's really important for us to make that focus. You know, I wanted to ask you with everything who are you today?
Speaker 2:I am actually my name. I am Autumn Star Canterbury. I am no longer, you know, the scared little girl. I am no longer the wife that is afraid to step up and be herself. I'm no longer the woman who will say anything to please anybody, and I'm Autumn. I'm Autumn Star Canterbury and I will continue on a daily basis to stay strong. I am a soldier of God and I am a child of His and I will do all I can to just try to help somebody. Even if it's one, even if it's three. I will be thankful and humble that I got that opportunity to help somebody feel better.
Speaker 1:How does it feel to be heard and not be invisible?
Speaker 2:I'm still trying to learn how to take that in. I don't know if I have what it takes to be good enough to help others. Still, you know, I still question. You know what is so special about you to think you can go help somebody but at the same time I wouldn't be where I'm at, totally uncomfortable, if I didn't have that purpose. So I feel good that I can finally be myself, but I'm still working on that.
Speaker 1:Well, I can tell you that you're not invisible anymore, that people are hearing your story and that's a really amazing thing that you got to this point in your story and you're only 40, you're really young, really, and you have so much more to offer. You have so much life to give and when you put that uniform on, I'm sure it'll feel amazing to have a uniform and be seen and not be invisible.
Speaker 2:Well, the great feeling I had last week was I got a phone call out of nowhere and it was my recruiter and I was like, well, I'm studying on this and I did really good here and I'm still doing this, sir. And he said Autumn, I just want to tell you something. I'm not calling you to talk and brag about, you know, your education and all that. I just want you to know that you are an amazing person and it is such an honor to get to be working with you. And I don't just say that to anybody. He said so it actually, you know, I used that as fuel the next day, saying, all right, I got, I got to do this, I got to do my pushups. Today, I've got to do my planks and I got to figure this out, you know, um.
Speaker 2:So it's, it's those little things that just really make me feel happy and proud inside, um, but I'm also in the process of really working, you know, on that foundation for my children, and my daughter came to me last month and said, mama, I'm signing up for the Marines and I'm like what? Wow? So here's this family that lived on, you know, ranches and farms, our whole life to well, my children's whole life to going into the military. So I feel so happy that my daughter took that step. She got accepted, she signed up for the hardest one, she was my preemie and here she, she just she's now quitting, you know yeah, so she's doing great.
Speaker 1:She was born at one pound something and she's doing amazing, obviously yeah, she had no health issues whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I mean, like she is just. You looked at her and you'd be like, is she a wrestler? Because she's built really well. She's never had health issues from being a premature baby. I made sure that I did everything the nurses installed in my mind to do. So I have to take that credit as a mama, because I was cut down for not being a good enough mom and I'm like, well, take that, guys, because this is what my daughter's doing and I have to take that credit, not you. So I'm really proud of her. She's an amazing person.
Speaker 2:I think she's got another journey and a very, um, important purpose on this life, uh, on this world. I really think so. Her name's faith oh, what a beautiful name. And my middle daughter, she's unstoppable. I mean, she is so driven and from the time she was four to 15 now she knows what she wants. She wants to be a horsewoman and work with horses, and I believe her and my son he's just a ball of love. So every time I have him and I can hold on to him, I'm just like okay, thank you so much God.
Speaker 1:That's so amazing. Well, what a beautiful gift for you to have such a beautiful family, and you might not have had it growing up, but you've really created one.
Speaker 2:So I tried. I'm not the you know the mom anymore, with the you know farmer husband next to me and those family portraits. You know that's the hard thing to swallow, but I'm still okay. I'm still okay, my children are okay and I'm thankful for the time that I did have.
Speaker 1:You know, sometimes we have to redefine what looks, what's right, what's good, what's normal, what's and uh, we have to pivot and be okay with our life, where our life ended up in, and it might be different than what we thought it would look like, but, uh, it's still okay yes, yeah, it's that's something I'm learning how to work with.
Speaker 2:You know it's that's my new life, and lesson is learning how to accept that and learn that it is okay.
Speaker 1:So your story is one of relenting, unrelenting courage. It is raw, real and deeply sacred. Thank you for opening your heart to us today. You are a reminder that healing is not the absence of scars but the power to carry them and still rise. So is there any way that people can reach you? And yeah, I know that you have like a Facebook and Instagram and things like that. I know you're working on your story. I know that you have like a Facebook and Instagram and things like that. I know you're working on your story. So is there any place here that you would like me to put on the screen for people to be able to reach you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, you guys can reach me on my email all lowercase A-U-T-U-M-N-S-T-A-R-R-1022 at gmailcom. I still, you know, interact in email. And then I have Instagram and Facebook under Autumn Star Canterbury and right now I'm just still writing my book and in that process. But as soon as that gets finished I will definitely let that out for everybody to find.
Speaker 1:Definitely let that out for everybody to find. Yeah, and if you, when you finish it, we will absolutely put that out on the podcast and maybe we could have you back and you could talk about the book. That would be really fantastic. If you or anybody that you know is going through trauma or anything, we can put resources down in the notes below. But also, if you need help, hopefully in your area, and I'm sure that you can either get to shelters I used to be a director of a battered woman's shelter that maybe you could reach out and try to.
Speaker 1:You know, abuse looks in many different ways. Abuse is just not bruises, and so if anybody feels like, like you said, Autumn, sometimes it could just be they've taken the keys and they won't let you leave the farm. You know they're controlling and manipulating everything that you're doing and you have no control over your own life. It is abuse and you can go and get help. So don't minimize what you're going through and think, well, I don't have bruises. So therefore, you know it's not abuse because it still is. So go out and get the help that you need and reach out and believe in yourself and don't let others define who you are, because you are special and you have a purpose. And look at Autumn. I mean, she was beat down and beat down and beat down, but she still held on to her purpose and I just am so grateful that you were able to come on here today and share that purpose.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you so much. And also, you know, don't be afraid to find research, master mindset classes on the internet. Those things really helped me and I'm in the process of my online business as well being built, and I will have a master mindset class to help people go through certain situations that I had gone through. So that is in the future as well is having my online business get launched.
Speaker 1:I asked what a master mindset is business get launched.
Speaker 2:I asked what a master mindset is. Well, a master mindset class. Um, in the cowboy world. Um, there's a. There is ties cows down at the rodeo. Sorry for me not saying it correctly, but anyway, his name is tyson durfee and he does a master mindset class to teach your mind how to overcome certain battles in our everyday life. And, okay, lends that into the rodeo field. But I took a class and implemented it into my lifestyle and, um, those things really do work. They're really out there, you know. You just don't be afraid to research. You know, if something comes to your mind and you're like you know what, I need help just learning how to get out of bed in a positive attitude, it's out there, I mean, it is out there.
Speaker 1:So it really is.
Speaker 2:And I'm working on. You know I paid for a business five years ago, not knowing where it was going to lead me, and I'm now doing. You know it's already paid for my business, but I haven't finished it out yet because I'm still in the process, you know. So I'll have something out there eventually too. But I mean, just don't be afraid to research and look, it's there.
Speaker 1:And believe in yourself and know that you do have a purpose and have, you know, like a business or something that you can hold on to to keep you going till the next day, like a business or something that you can hold on to to keep you going till the next day, Just finding that reason to get out of bed and believe in yourself and take that step that you need to to get away, get out, get help, do whatever you need to. So thank you so much for being on Autumn. I really enjoyed this. And thank you everybody out there from Real Talk with Tina and Anne and we will see you next time.
