Real Talk with Tina and Ann
Tina and Ann met as journalists covering a capital murder trial, 15 years ago. Tina has been a tv and radio personality and has three children. Ann has a master's in counseling and has worked in the jail system, was a director of a battered woman's shelter/rape crisis center, worked as an assistant director at a school for children with autism, worked with abused kids and is currently raising her three children who have autism. She also is autistic and was told would not graduate high school, but as you can see, she has accomplished so much more. The duo share their stories of overcoming and interview people who are making it, despite what has happened. This is more than just two moms sharing their lives. This is two women who have overcome some of life's hardest obstacles. Join us every Wednesday as we go through life's journey together. There is purpose in the pain and hope in the journey.
Real Talk with Tina and Ann
Even Here, We Are Thankful
A glossy holiday is easy to post, but the real story of Thanksgiving often lives in the places that ache. This year, our table looks different—empty chairs, fading memories, and traditions that no longer fit who we are now. Still, gratitude finds a seat beside grief.
We talk about the tenderness of a rare moment of clarity with a loved one whose memory is slipping, and the sting of anniversaries that return each November. Love doesn’t disappear; it changes shape. It becomes presence, comfort, breath.
We trace Thanksgiving back to its roots: gratitude amid survival. Through that lens, we practice a thanks that is honest and brave—naming what hurts and what holds us together. We share simple ways to stay grounded when life feels overwhelming: focus on the next step, protect small rituals, and notice the goodness that still rises.
Faith shows up as a steady hand when ours shake, and quiet phrases like “even here, I see good” become anchors. Nature’s rhythm reminds us that loss prunes but also deepens roots.
So we invite a truthful Thanksgiving: say what hurts, then say what remains. Teach our kids that courage is presence, not pretending.
If your heart is heavy, may gratitude gently hold you. If someone is missing, may their love warm the room. Press play for a reminder that even here, even now, we can still be grateful.
And we have a surprise at the end! Our kids talk about what Thanksgiving means to them!
From our families to yours--Happy Thanksgiving
Welcome to Real Talk with Tina and Anne. I am Tina. And I am Anne.
SPEAKER_01:And first of all, Tina, I'm going to cry. And I'm not kidding. I mean, for those who have joined our podcast in the last five, six months, whatever, this is Tina. She really does exist. This is Tina. This is the other half of this fantastic show. And she's just had some things. She's been super busy. She's on several radio stations. She's super famous. And she is still here. But you are still here. Yes. It's proof because this is Thanksgiving episode. I am just so thankful for you. I am thankful for you as well. Thank you. Well, I'm very blessed. And when I knew we were going to do this show, I've been kind of giddy. So I'm excited too. It's going to be fantastic. Well, today's episode is a different kind of Thanksgiving. It is the Thanksgiving grounded in real gratitude, not the Hallmark kind, but the kind that sits next to grief at the dinner table, holds hands with it, and still manages to find light. This is when Thanksgiving changes shape. This year, I mean, I cannot believe it, Tina. This year, this Thanksgiving, this November 25th, which falls on a Tuesday, which is the exact way it was when my dad passed away 50 years ago. 50 years. I mean, it is wild to think that I have been that long in my life without my dad. So every November, his memory sits at the table with me. And still, you know, I find something to be thankful for. Not because the pain is gone, because, you know, love changes shape. Thanksgiving changes shape. I can always find something. This Thanksgiving does not look the same at our table this year for us. We have a missing family member. And, you know, it does make it a little different. It makes it hard. But still, you know, I want to honor the memories that we do have and still find thankfulness in things that are different or hard.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, isn't that so truthful? I bet for so many and for myself included, you know, Thanksgiving is one of my favorite times of the year. And it's a time where myself and my boys, we intentionally focus on gratitude. But you're right, it's it's not the same. This year, different for me too, as well. My mom's Alzheimer's has progressed. We're in year five of this awful disease. And while it does continue to break my heart, it is this roller coaster ride. I am learning to find different things with my mom and my family to be grateful for. So we celebrate the little things because aren't those really the things that add up to the biggest things when it's all said and done? I feel like the little things really add up. And so we celebrate when my mom can talk and it makes sense when she verbally acknowledges who you are, when she smiles and when she says, I love you. There's just nothing that makes my heart happier. I because I miss her. I miss her voice. And so when I get to hear it like that, it's it's the best fun of my day. So gratitude is not about pretending everything is okay. It's about noticing what still is. Sometimes it is being thankful for things we are given that we do not normally realize that we have, and being able to do the little things that maybe we take for granted.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my gosh, that is so beautiful. And I'm so glad, I mean, you every now and then will send me a little thing that's going on with you and your mom, or something that just really made your day, or something that you will just never forget. And uh, I mean, that's just so beautiful because she is still in there. And I can remember a little conversation that we had, and it was just like look in her eyes, she's still there.
SPEAKER_02:And it's yeah, I mean, it is finding feel it. It's it's it's it's almost indescribable because they'll be asked, Does your mom remember who you are? Yes, she does. She may not be able to say who I am, but I know she knows who I am.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. And I'm just so thankful that you, that she is right there with you and that you get to celebrate this Thanksgiving with her. Um, the things that we need to be thankful for, most of them are abstract, you know, because a lot of the things we don't have are some of those tangible things. You know, we lose a person, or maybe we lose some of these things that we sit around the table and we often say that we're thankful for. But a lot of it doesn't have to do with the tangible. Regardless of what our table looks like, it is different. And when I was a kid, our Thanksgiving was full. I mean, we had so many people around the table, but families change, people pass, some drift or grow apart. But you know, that table still is. It still is. And traditions might shift. There's something sacred about showing up to that table every year, no matter what it looks like, no matter what our heart might look like that day.
SPEAKER_02:Gosh, that is so good. I totally agree. I love that, and you have to keep moving forward. I, you know, what do they say? Movement is medicine. And I truly believe that. You know, if you look at different religions and the like, you'll notice that they all have something in common, believe it or not. And it's thankfulness that's at the center of all of it. Being thankful will help you see things that maybe you just couldn't before.
SPEAKER_01:As Thanksgiving shifts, for me, it's about reflection. It is about remembering who we are, where we've come from, and what still keeps us going, regardless of pain, loss, and what is missing, maybe that year or from the table.
SPEAKER_02:That's so good too. You know, I was thinking as I was driving home from dropping my son off at school today that if we don't stop to remember, we will very likely forget. And there are some things you you don't want to regret or forget, you know, you you want to be able to remember. But if you don't stop to think about them, you will forget. So let's talk about what is gratitude. Gratitude is the type of thankfulness that is real and raw. When life doesn't look like we planned, and so many of us feel that, when gratitude becomes less about the surface and more about what's true, sometimes the thing I'm thankful for isn't the joy itself, but the strength to still reach for it. It's resilience that keeps showing up, focusing on the laughter instead in light of what's missing. So choosing, you know, it it is a choice.
SPEAKER_01:It is a choice, absolutely, because I have been in situations in this last year where I could go down either way. Yeah. I keep getting up and choosing to be a positive force, to follow that positive force. Because really, I mean, it drains us of all of our energy if we don't follow that path. It really does benefit. And it's being thankful while still feeling the loss, because we can really hold both.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And I think life is about holding space for both, finding joy, thankfulness, gratitude along the way will absolutely keep you going. We, you and I are living proof of that.
SPEAKER_01:100%. You and I have both been through so much this year. Some good, some bad, some mixed, you know. But uh yeah, absolutely. And we can hold both. Being thankful for the people who shaped us is really important for the lessons learned, for hard seasons, for those abstract things that I talked about earlier that we do not normally think about, because when life feels in place, sometimes we are thankful for the most surface of things. I think it is when we lose things, when life is different. That is when we find out what we are really thankful for.
SPEAKER_02:And truly, you are spot on with that. And I have thought those very some of those very things, it always brings me back to the little things that I'm thankful for. I mean, of course, at the top is my health, my family, you know, my home. Things that you know might be like, yeah, cliche, cliche, but it is true. I mean, I I'm full of so much gratitude, and we all can be. When you look back at the original meaning of Thanksgiving, it wasn't about perfection. It wasn't about feasts, it was about gratitude in survival. Didn't you find that interesting? Because when you stop and think about that, you know, we're we're we're talking pilgrims here, you know? Right, right. And about coming together in shared humanity in harvest and in hope, the soul of Thanksgiving is a sacred pause to recognize life's fragile beauty and the ways we're held by both grace and one another.
SPEAKER_01:It is so beautiful what it was originally. Before it was a national holiday, giving thanks, it was spiritual. And I think that we've really lost our way, a way to acknowledge harvest land and God. And it was about relationship with all those things. It was about pausing to honor what is sustaining, about being thankful for what is sustaining us, no matter what our circumstances. It is not about the food or the table setting. It is about being thankful for being carried through the seasons that almost broke us. It is about recognizing that love, faith, and connections are what keep us standing when life feels uncertain. And I can tell you that I've had many of those seasons this year. And I think many of us have.
SPEAKER_02:I think you're so right. But you are you are the epitome of resilience, strength, thanksgiving. And your name would be right next to it because what a year you've had. And then what a year you've had. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. You've made the choice, the choices, and for your family to find joy in the hard things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, I think that that's partly important. That's a really important thing that you just said because I, you know, we're being watched. We're the models of to the younger generations and how we handle things. And I think that that's so important that no matter what that we go through, whatever we go through, is that we are keeping um, that we keep going forward. We're forging through this path. And we're showing them that they can do it too. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:Now, at its core, gratitude, you could say, is an act of rebellion against despair. And it says, even here, I will see good. Gratitude changes everything. It turns what we have into enough, it shifts your mindset. You can have a tough year, a tough day, and still be grateful. So, most years I do a gratitude group during November, and one of my posts from a year or so ago talked about auditing your adversity. So, not to emphasize the negative, but to change your mindset about it. Instead of hoping to be rid of it, to sit with it, make peace with it, learn the art of overcoming. So I think it's important to note what obstacles we've faced and how we've either gotten past it or made friends with it. Don't you think?
SPEAKER_01:I love. Even here, I see good. I mean, I think I'm going to get that on and frame it and hang that up. Even here, I see good. That just speaks to my soul. It just makes me almost want to cry. I'm not, oh my, I could just live in this because of how profound it is. Here, even here, I see good. You know, I always thought it was like this cliche thing when adults would say, Yeah, well, I'm even thankful in the hard times. And, you know, I mean, I was young and I really didn't understand it. I thought, well, I mean, how could you be thankful in the hard times? Because I wasn't always, I didn't always see it this way. I did not see the strength behind it. And with how much I feel that this year, you know, I can tell you that what I feel behind those words of even here, I see the good. I feel the strength. I feel myself being carried. I feel a peace beyond understanding. And that's where true Thanksgiving is. That's the heart of it, to be thankful, even here. When the idea of Thanksgiving was popularized, especially through the 1863 proclamation by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, it wasn't about food or football. Could you imagine? Food. It wasn't about food or football. It was about a nation in pain, pausing to heal to reflect on the blessings amid brokenness. I mean, stop to think about that for a minute. This is not at all how we see this holiday, at least not how I was raised to see it. And Lincoln called for gratitude in the midst of civil strife, which reminds us that Thanksgiving was meant to be a balm for division, a moment to remember who we are in a shared humanity when everything feels fractured.
SPEAKER_02:It's almost like he's talking about the time we live in now in Middle East. That's exactly what I thought. I felt that because that is how it is now. I I feel like you just gave us so much to digest that we could stop the podcast here and just think in silence, seriously, for the rest of it, because it's it's a hundred percent true. It's it's so good. So unfortunately, we have to move on. And although I want to keep talking, I want to keep thinking about what you just said, it was so good. But we're gonna talk about gratitude going beyond circumstance. So it is saying thank you, not just for what we have, but for what we've made it through. It is the quiet kind of Thanksgiving that happens in the hospital rooms at empty chairs where loved ones once sat, in the heart of someone who's simply still standing after a hard year. No matter how different our Thanksgiving looks, it's about being thankful for what held us up. Elbert Hubbard said, I would rather be able to appreciate the things I cannot have than to have the things I'm not able to appreciate.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's so beautiful. Do you know? I spent uh a Thanksgiving in the hospital when I was a kid. So I did. I mean, I even had hospital turkey and all that stuff because I had pneumonia. Ah. So I know. I mean, that's it. I just thought of that. Yeah, talk about a crazy Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_02:But how's hospital turkey? Not quite as good as homemade.
SPEAKER_01:Not it, no. I think I could have peeled open a tan and just slapped it right on the plate. Yeah, with some, you know, quicky mashed potatoes with some turkey gravy in the middle of it.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, knowing you, I bet you were still thankful. I bet you were.
SPEAKER_01:I was. I mean, I don't know why I'm built this way, but I just, you know, somebody else just had said that to me recently. And I um about, you know, oh, the last six months that you've had, I can't even imagine. And I just said, no, you know what? I'm good.
SPEAKER_00:You're because I really am. Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:It really is about perspective, and I don't know. And I think it it can be about choice, but it's just being thankful every morning when I wake up and just, you know, dealing with the thing right in front of me instead of looking at the big picture sometimes. Just if you look at the really big picture of something, it can drown you. So let's just focus on the step in front of us. I mean, it really makes a difference for me. Oh, yeah, that's great advice. Well, this year, maybe we can honor this by practicing truthful Thanksgiving. I was thinking about that, you know. I mean, to have a truthful Thanksgiving, gratitude that coexists with empathy and understanding rather than erasing the suffering or whatever happened this year, but be honest about where we are and what emerged in the pain that we can be thankful for. I know for me, our table, like I said earlier, it looks different. And there is a part of me that didn't want to even think about having Thanksgiving this year. And it it does hurt. But I will, because you know what? We also have to continue traditions, like I kind of touched on a little bit, and continue on and be thankful and hold on to those things that got us through for others, for the young, for those who want or need to see that even though we're in a or in spite of, we can still find things to be thankful for. I know for me, and this is crazy because you know, I said that 50 years ago that my dad died, and I it was a Tuesday, the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, and I was sitting downstairs watching TV, and I heard my aunts and my mom talking, they were planning the funeral while they were making Thanksgiving dinner. And that was so crazy to me. You want to talk about a mix, but with that said, I mean, I think it was their way of still providing tradition, still providing some normalcy in the midst of pain, trying to show the family that even though we were hurting, that we can still come to the table and give thanks. I mean, I really never thought about that until this episode, but it's really helped me to understand what Thanksgiving is really supposed to be about. I'm gonna go around the table this year and have an honest Thanksgiving, not to not fake. I'm gonna be like, you know what? This really stinks. This hurts, but I'm still thankful. I'm gonna say what's hurting, and then I'm gonna say what I'm still thankful for.
SPEAKER_02:I love that, and I'm stealing it. I think that's so beautiful, and I do think that it will help teach all of our children, even maybe adults, how to walk through life and keep going. Thanksgiving, we said this before, it's not about a meal. It is about choosing presence over plenty. It's about whispering thank you to life itself for breath, for lessons, for love, for resilience, even when our plates or hearts feel empty. It really is true. There is always something to be thankful for. If you're here, you still have purpose. Use it because life is now. If your heart is heavy, may gratitude be the thread that holds you together. And if you're missing someone, may their memory bring warmth, not just pain. If this year has been hard, may you still find joy in the small, quiet ways it shows up. It's gratitude that makes us joyful.
SPEAKER_01:Hopefully, you can find grace in the middle of the mess. Maybe the person is not there, but being thankful for the love you have for them. Be thankful for the strength that is holding you up and for God that gives us the tools that we need in every situation. Fifty years later, my dad is still not at the table, but his love is. And he is still in me. He still lives because, you know, of my memories with him. Isn't that the best part?
SPEAKER_02:Our memories we get to keep. That love doesn't go away. Thankfulness is in every story, every breath. Love doesn't die, it transforms. Gratitude helps us notice the pieces of love that are still here, still holding us, even when life looks different. Gratitude is simply the practice of catching those moments as they pass by. And it's how we stay connected to the love that shaped us.
SPEAKER_01:This is what real Thanksgiving feels like being held by something stronger than what hurt me. I mean, isn't that beautiful? Being held by something that's stronger than what actually hurt me.
SPEAKER_02:I remember several years ago, and I remember exactly where I was. I was at a fall festival, and I was in one of the hardest seasons that I had ever known at the time. And something made me look down at my phone for some reason, and there was a quote there that was a piece of my healing puzzle at the time. I can't remember the author of the quote, but it was that premise of being held when you feel like you can't do it yourself. It was talking about really about God holding you, you know, when everything else seems to be, you know, falling, going away, hurting, and you feel like you can't stand, it's He who is holding you up. And I can go right back to that moment and just thinking, oh my gosh, how much it healed me right then and there. I you ever have a time where that happens? Just something so profound hits you that it changes everything.
SPEAKER_01:There, I have the visual that I've carried with me in some of the worst times of my life when you know there's four footprints and then there's two, you know, and that's when he was carrying me. And I I have held on to that many different times because if I if I didn't believe in God and I didn't believe that there were times that he is actually holding me and carrying me through, I don't think that I would be able to make it. So I mean, he is probably one of the biggest things that I am thankful for in a lot of the seasons.
SPEAKER_02:Gratitude is not pretending that everything is okay, it's noticing what still is. And so going back to some examples like you were talking about, for me, my thought pattern and gratitude might look something like this in the season that I'm in. My mom's memory is fading, but her eyes still light up. And that light is something I'm thankful for. Or gratitude isn't the absence of loss, it's the presence of love that remains. I've actually been thinking about that so much in recent weeks. It has that has that particular aspect has really been on my heart.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, as um I'm sure as you see things change with your mom, the more that you hold on to things like that. Absolutely. So here's another quote This year my table is different, but so am I. And maybe that's where gratitude actually begins. I love that.
SPEAKER_02:I I I as you have me thinking about it. I mean, doesn't it begin with us? It is that choice. It's that choice to be grateful or not. And just like it takes more muscles to frown, I think that it takes more courage to think about gratitude and be thankful when it's hard. It's easy to play victim, feel sad and feel down. Not that you can't feel those ways, because you absolutely can and have a right to, I know, in certain instances, but you also, for the sake of your well-being and your family, need to pick yourself up too. How about, you know, we're sharing a few quotes right now, and how about this one? Thankfulness grows quietly in the places life broke us. This one takes my breath away.
SPEAKER_00:I don't even know if I can finish it actually. That's where we find what truly matters. Why did that one touch you so much? Where did it take you?
SPEAKER_02:What broke me was my mom's disease. Of everything else I've been through in life. And I don't say that to feel sorry for me. Losing my mom and the way that I've lost her, you know, that ambiguous loss. She's still physically here, but not mentally. But thankfulness and gratitude have grown from that hardnessy place in ways I wouldn't have seen coming. It absolutely broke me, but it is also building me back up.
SPEAKER_01:See, I mean, isn't that interesting that the hardest places are where we can grow? You know, it it's like yes, we are at the absolute worst of the time, and we are hurting so much, and broken really is the only word that fits. And then it's like right there a seed is planted that wasn't there before. Not even and and it grows, and we're actually different and stronger.
SPEAKER_02:And if you you know, going back to the seed and the in the the tree analogy, it's you know, you you have this seed and and you stick it in the dirt where it's dark and it's cold, and you need that rain so that it can grow into something big and beautiful that provides shade or it provides food for an animal, you know, it it provides shelter, it but it has to grow out of that hard, messy, cold, dark place.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:And that's where we find what truly matters. Yeah, it it really is. That's what this season has done for me, is that earlier I kind of said it, but in a way where when when everything is perfect, you are just thankful for the food. You're just thankful for you know what it could be the most simplest things, and you just don't realize when you lose so much that it really is the things that are not seen. Yeah that really is what you're thankful for the most.
SPEAKER_02:It really is, you know, grief and gratitude are not opposites, they are companions who teach us how to live with a softer heart. It's true, it really is true. You know, if you think about it, if if you've ever judged someone for how they handled something, and then you went through it yourself, and it's one of those things like, wow, what an eye opener of I didn't. Didn't know how to handle that, what they were going through, what I would do, but now here I am. And you get more empathetic towards the people that maybe you looked at differently or down on or judged for whatever reason. Because now you're going through it too, and you didn't think it would happen to you. But that's that's reading that, that's what spoke to me. And you know, I have a family member who could, you know, talk so much about that and how she's really lived with a softer heart because of where grief has taken her.
SPEAKER_01:Grief has softened me. I used to live a lot, I had a I lived behind a wall. And I no longer do that.
SPEAKER_02:The wall is the real. We are real. You know, that's that's why we named our podcast what we did.
SPEAKER_01:Well, real gratitude is courageous and it whispers thank you in the middle of the mess.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it does. Well, how about something you touched on earlier about traditions? Traditions don't keep us from hurting. We could look at it as they remind us why we keep showing up anyway.
SPEAKER_01:I tell myself all the time, just keep showing up. Keep showing up.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, keep showing up. It matters. There's something to be said for. We may have mentioned this on one of the episodes before, but just think about it. You know, when grief happens to you and it strikes, you do want the whole world to stop and just pause for a moment. Just just imagine this. If we all did that, we would only be paused for our whole entire life because everyone is hurting at some point every single day. And so there is some comfort knowing that we keep moving forward, keep showing up anyway.
SPEAKER_01:I have an actual visual of one of the worst times of my life, and I was down on the floor because that's how bad I was hurting. That's how bad I was hurting. And I felt myself actually tell myself, get up. And of course I did. Because we can't stay down there. We just can't.
SPEAKER_02:The harder you stay, the harder it is to get back up. I'm not saying don't have moments, but literally set a timer that you can feel this way for five, 10 minutes, and then you have to get up.
SPEAKER_01:You have to gratitude becomes the bridge between what we've lost and what we have.
SPEAKER_00:Man, all I can see is that rainbow.
SPEAKER_02:The rainbow that we talk about when we lose our pets. And how that bridge connects the living here, or maybe I should say the death here to the living in heaven. And that's a beautiful piece of imagery.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it has really created a visual for me with that bridge.
SPEAKER_02:I I I love it. Well, this has been such a heartwarming episode. I'm so glad for all of you joining us to hear it today. And I'm I'm confident it's given you so much to think about. My mind is spinning right now. There is, there's so much meat and potatoes while we're speaking of Thanksgiving that to chew on from this podcast. So from our table to yours, we wish you peace, comfort, and courage to be thankful for the real, for the different, for hope, for being able to give thanks even when you can't. You feel like you can't, I should say. Just even when it's hard. You know, think of that. I can be grateful even when, and you fill in the blank because it's the things that we don't see that sustain us. It gives us strength, it allows us to sit next to grief at the dinner table, hold hands with it, and still find that light. It's about embracing a Thanksgiving that is changing shape. One of the most transformative quotes of my whole entire life came when I was a college student and I was walking from one end of the campus to another. And on a church sign, before I walked into the door, and it was a hard season at this time, too. But you look back and you're like, boy, I thought that was hard. Yeah, only I knew what was coming, right? Yeah. Um, but at that time, there was a sign on a church billboard that said, When you're fearful of change, think of the beauty of autumn. And it completely changed the way I looked at change. And now I always see those beautiful colored leaves, which is one of my favorite things about the season of fall. And I've I'm learning the older I get to embrace change. So we want to thank you for listening. Embrace thankfulness this season. You will never regret it.
SPEAKER_01:Just want to say before we finish that um, you know, I just had this like epiphany. I when you were talking about fall, uh when we look at there's always loss in fall. You know, there's it and it starts a brand new season. To me, when everything dies, or you know, the leaves are all falling, everything is kind of withering after so everything was so beautiful because fall is one of the most beautiful times. It is. And then we start the new season, we go through the cold, and then we go into, you know, everything is blooming and blossoming and growing, and it's just beautiful. And then we go into another great, beautiful summer, which is another great season, and then it happens again, you know. And each time I just I mean, I think that God had this planned all along to do this seasons thing with us to give us these visuals of what it is like to go through life and go through these seasons. And every single time, guess what happens? There is another spring. Because you grow. You're right.
SPEAKER_02:There is another one. You grow and you change and you adapt and you overcome and you keep going. Yeah, that's that's what you have to do.
SPEAKER_01:The tree is taller, the the flowers are taller and more beautiful than the year before. And you know, I mean, they just keep blossoming every single time. And I mean, yeah, there's weeds, and you have to get rid of those too.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, but isn't that life? Isn't that real life? It is. You have to weed the, you know, the bad, the the part that's that's destroying your peace. And there's there's always gonna be those weeds. You just gotta keep yanking them out, tossing them, and watering what helps you feel peace, what makes you grow, what helps you to be the best version of yourself.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, this was so beautiful, Tina. I just love this episode. I could talk about gratitude probably for days on end. Well, yeah, you are the gratitude person. And I love that about you. But we do have to finish the episode. So, as we always say, there is purpose in the pain and there is hope in the journey, and Tina will be back again. Oh, you got it. We will see you next time.
SPEAKER_02:Happy Thanksgiving.
